HOLY HERETICS: Jesus, Maimonides, Spinoza, Founding Fathers, Herzl, Einstein.

The king messiah did not come - Israel was created against the will of God, by atheists

2010-03-01T21:10:00.000-08:00

"We need to cease to reward people

for pretending to know things they do not know.
The only area of discourse where we do this

is on the subject of God".

Sam Harris

The Nazi Holocaust: Its History and Meaning

by Ronnie S. Landau Page 65-66

Many devout Jews who were still obedient to their inherited way of life regarded the Zionist idea as little short of heresy:
to dispense with the need for the Almighty’s permission and to accomplish a physical return to Israel on the initiative of mere fellow-humans
was betrayal of their rabbinic tradition.
http://books.google.com/books?id=UmDZxCedaLkC&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=

Since the end of the Biblical period,
Rabbis promoted a belief that only a Messiah could restore Jewish

sovereignty to the land of Israel.

At the end of the biblical period the Jewish community was divided, with various groups practicing the Jewish religion in their own ways. Out of this turmoil a group of religious leaders called rabbis emerged in the 1st century ce. Over the next centuries rabbis gave shape to the kind of Judaism that dominated Jewish life until modern times. The rabbis subjected each of the rules and laws of the Bible to examination and interpretation, and they developed a voluminous body of oral law called Halakhah (Hebrew from the verb halakh, meaning “to go”). These oral laws were written down during the 1st through the 5th centuries ad and became part of the Talmud and Midrash. The interpretations of the rabbis were characterized by a deep concern for fulfilling the laws and morals of the Bible.

They promoted a belief in political quiescence (inactivity), insisting that only redemption through a Messiah could restore Jewish sovereignty to the land of Israel.
Microsoft ® Encarta ® Reference Library 2004. © 1993-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

The Messiah

    מקור הקביעה הידועה שהמשיח יבוא עני ורוכב על
: חמור הוא בספר זכריה פרק ט', שבו נאמר
"גִּילִי מְאֹד בַּת-צִיּוֹן, הָרִיעִי בַּת יְרוּשָׁלִַם, הִנֵּה מַלְכֵּךְ יָבוֹא לָךְ, צַדִּיק וְנוֹשָׁע הוּא; עָנִי וְרֹכֵב עַל-חֲמוֹר, וְעַל-עַיִר בֶּן-אֲתֹנוֹת"
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/משיח

The Septuagint, in Zechariah9:9 says: "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Sion; proclaim it aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold, the King is coming to thee, just, and a Saviour;
he is meek and riding on an ass, and a young foal."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Sunday

The messiah
http://www.kirszenbaum.com/Galleries\museums\jerusalem_museum\kirszenbaum-jewish%20villagers%20greeting%20the%20messiah~B65_321.jpg
http://www.wellsphere.com/general-medicine-article/riding-on-a-donkey/538928
In both Jewish and Christian traditions, the messiah (Jesus Christ in the later case) was often described as riding on a donkey.
As noted, in the context of the Hebrew Bible this connoted wealth and affluence befitting the House of David, as at the time commoners are described as simply going on foot.
However, in later times when the aristocracy used horses, depicting the messiah as riding a donkey came to have an opposite connotation,
as indicating a simple, sober way of life and avoiding luxury. The same connotation is evident in the description of saints such as Francis of Assisi as riding donkeys.
In contemporary Israel, the term "Messiah's Donkey" (Chamoro Shel Mashiach חמורו של משיח) stands at the center of a controversial religious-political doctrine,
attributed to Rabbi Avraham Yitchak Hacohen Cook, under which it was the Heavenly-imposed "task" of secular Zionists to build up a Jewish State,
but once the state is established they are fated to give place to the Religious who are ordained to lead the state.
The secularists in this analogy are "The Donkey" while the religious who are fated to supplant them are a collective "Messiach".
A book on the subject, published in 1998 by the militant secularist Sefi Rechlevsky, aroused a major controversy in the Israeli public opinion.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey
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Six million

Jews were

killed

as a result of the

Zionists

Written by Satmar sect Grand Rebbe Joel Teitelbaum, zt'l

Everyone ignores the fact that

it has been these Zionist groups

that have attracted the Jewish people

and have violated the Oath against establishing a Jewish entity before the arrival of the Messiah.

It is because of the Zionists that six million Jews were killed. The fact is that this is the bitter punishment stipulated in the Talmud.... (Tractate Ketuboth, p. 111),
which results in the payment of a spiritual and physical debt from the Jewish People. Afflictions and tribulations only appear in this world because of the wicked,
and the punishment is meted out first upon the righteous.
However the Zionists have committed horrible actions; that they have always slandered and spoken libelously against the Jewish People to other nations,
and have even inciting non-Jewish leaders against the Jewish People to convince them to expel Jews from their countries.
The Zionists believed that this strategy would make it easier to take over the Holy Land and establish their State there.
We see from letters written by great rabbis in the early days of Zionism how great was their deathly fear of the consequences of the slander and libel of the Zionists;
unfortunately their fears were realized.

THREE STRONG OATHS
HTTP://WWW.JEWSAGAINSTZIONISM.COM/ZIONISM/3STRONGOATHS.CFM
The true Jewish position on Zionism and the state called Israel is found in the Scriptures in the Talmud and in the oral traditions transmitted to us by our parents and teachers.
At the outset of the Jews' exile to Babylonia, the Prophet Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled…Verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish "foreign policy" how to behave in the lands of the nations throughout our ensuing exiles till this very day.
There Jeremiah adds in the name of G-d (verses 8 and 9), "Do not let your false prophets among you and your sorcerers seduce you, do not head your dreamers which you cause them to dream. For they speak falsely to you in My name. I did not send them." This too has applied to all the would-be misleaders of Jewry whether they presented themselves as prophets or as sorcerers or as dreamers of national aspirations.
King Solomon in Song of Songs thrice adjured the "daughters of Jerusalem" not to arouse or bestir the love until it is ready." The Talmud explains That we have been foresworn, by three strong oaths, not to ascend to the Holy Land as a group using force, not to rebel against the governments of countries in which we live, and not by our sins, to prolong the coming of moshiach; as is written in Tractate Kesubos 111a .
Throughout the seventy years of the Babylonian exile, throughout the 200 years of the Hellenic exile and throughout the 1917 since the destruction of G-d's Holy House, we have steadfastly maintained our loyalty to G-d and have not transgressed His oaths. And we have prayed for the welfare of the cities and the countries of our host nations that did not oppress us, and in their welfare we indeed always found ours.
Whoever violates Jeremiah's principles or Solomon's oaths immediately imperils the welfare of Jews locally and elsewhere in the world.
Maimonides, Iggeres Teiman – Letter to Yemen
[Maimonides wrote this Letter to the Jewish Community of Yemen almost 1,000 years ago]
And as King Solomon knew with divine inspiration that the Jewish People would face the consequences of this and that suffering would come upon them, and warned the Jewish People not to do this (i.e. violate the Three Oaths), and in a metaphorical way made them swear not to commit these acts, as it is written in Song of Songs, 3,5:  I made you swear Daughters of Jerusalem by the deer and gazelles of the field should you arouse or awaken love until it is so desired.
Therefore, you, dear brethren, must accept the Oath and do not attempt to arouse the love until the proper time when the Alm-ghty shall remember us and you with his trait of mercy to gather his portion from Exile to behold his glory at his holy Temple and redeem us from the Valley of the shadow of Death where he has placed us, thereby removing the darkness from our eyes and the fog from our hearts. He will then fulfill in our days and in yours the verse from Isaiah 9:1 The nation wandering in darkness shall see a great Light, and a Light shall shine on those residing in the land of the shadow of death. At that time G-d shall darken the eyes of all those who rise up against us, and fulfill the verse from Isaiah 9:2Verily darkness shall cover the land and fog shall cover nations, but the light of G-d shall shine upon you, and you shall display his honor.
The Maharal of Prague (Rabbi Betzalel Lowy who lived in the 17th century) explained that the prohibition of violating the Three Oaths applies even if the other nations force the Jewish People to do so.
In addition, he wrote in his book Netzach Yisroel (Chapter 24) that these Oaths may not be modified so as to affect the decree of Exile, and he expanded on the description in the Midrashic text on Song of Songs 2:18.
"Even if the nations wanted to kill the Jews with terrible torture, the Jews are forbidden to change the applicability of the Oaths. This is relevant to every one of these oaths and must be understood." Therefore, not only is it forbidden to leave the Exile even with the permission of the nations, but even if they force the Jewish People to do so under pain of death, it is forbidden to violate these Oaths in the same way it is required to give up one's life rather than accept another religion.
Even during the forced conversions under the kingdom of Portugal in the late 15th century it was forbidden to violate the Oath.
Rabbi Avraham Galanti, who other rabbis described as outstanding in his level of holiness, and who was a student of the great kabbalist Rabbi Moshe Cordovero in the 16th century, explained aspects of the Three Oaths in his book Zechus Avos [Merit of the Patriarchs] where he recounts how some Jews in Portugal wanted to revolt against the kingdom rather than submit to forced conversion. A rabbi quoted the verses from Song of Songs to the people who wanted to revolt, and pointed to the Talmudic tractate Ketuboth p. 111 which states that G-d made the Jewish People take three Oaths – one was that they should not rebel against G-d by rebelling against the nations. Thereafter the Jews submitted to death rather than forced conversion. Although the description in Ketuboth does not say that the Oaths involve directly rebelling against G-d, it is clear that the very violation of these Oaths is rebellion against G-d himself.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/endorsements/rabbis/msoloveitchik.cfm
http://dimension.ucsd.edu/CEIMSA-IN-EXILE/publications/Scholars/2006-20.html
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WORDS OF THE RABBIS
In support of our position we have gathered quotes from many respected Rabbis.

Rabbis before World War I
Maimonides
Rabbi Yitzchok Aramah
The Maharal of Prague
Rabbi Avraham Galanti
Rabbi Bechaye
Rabbi Aryeh Leib Alter
Rabbi Nachman
Rabbi Yechezkel Halberstam
Rabbi Tazdok Hakohen of Lublin
Rabbi Yehoshua Leib Diskin
Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch
Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld
Rabbi Yehoshea Dzikover
Rabbis before World War II
Rabbi David Friedman of Karlin
Rabbi Meir Simcha of Dvinsk
Rabbi Yosef Rozen
Rabbi Avraham Freund
Rabbi Elchonon Wasserman
Rabbi Chaim Soloveichik of Brisk
Rabbi Chofetz Chaim
Rabbi Sholem Schneersohn
Rabbi Shaul Brach
Rabbi Yissachar Dov Belze Rabbe
Rabbi Chaim Oizer Grodzinski
Rabbi Chaim Elazar Shapiro
Rabbis after World War II
Satmar Grand Rebbe Joel Teitelbaum
Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky
Rabbi Yitzchock Zev Soloveitchik
Rabbi Avraham Yeshayau Karelitz
Rabbi Yitzchok Dov Koppelman
Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl
Rabbi Aharon Kotler
Rabbi Mordechai Gifter
Rabbi Elya Svei
Rabbi Baruch Kaplan
Rabbi Amram Blau
Rabbi Avigdor Miller, zt'l
Rabbi Yitchok Hutner Z"L
Joint Statements Issued by Rabbis in the USA, Canada and Europe Opposing Zionism
Statement issued by 77 Respected Rabbis of the USA and Canada (Adobe PDF)

Statement issued 30 September 1982 by 13 Respected Rabbis of Europe and Canada

Statement issued 2 June 1920 by 12 grand Rabbis of Hungary opposing Zionism

Statement issued December 14, 1925, Kaszica, Hungary

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http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/index.cfm

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Sholom Dovber Schneersohn

Sholom Dovber Schneersohn (Hebrew: שלום דובער שניאורסאהן‎; 1860-10-24 OS - 1920-03-21 NS)
was an Orthodox rabbi and the fifth Rebbe (spiritual leader) of the Chabad Lubavitch chasidic movement.
He is also known as "the Rebbe nishmosei eiden" (whose soul is in Eden) and as "the Rebbe Rashab" (for Reb Sholom Ber).
His teachings represent the emergence of an emphasis on outreach that later Chabad Rebbes would develop into a major theme.^[1] In Chabad thought, such as described in the talks of the last Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson, each of the 7 leaders of Chabad successively "drew down", broadened, explained and articulated the teachings of Chasidic philosophy more fully into intellectual grasp. The achievement of the founder of Chabad Shneur Zalman of Liadi, was to articulate the new "Torah of the Baal Shem Tov" in intellectual analysis. From his unique approach derives the name of "Chabad", standing for the intellectual faculties of the soul. In this context, Chabad lore, and the last Rebbe, describes Sholom Dovber Schneersohn as the "Maimonides of Chasidus", as with his teachings the ideas reach a new level of intellectual synthesis and philosophical grasp. Just as Maimonides in Medieval Jewish Philosophy (Hakira) and legal codification (Halacha) brought new comprehension, clarity and analytical synthesis to Jewish thought, so did Schneur Zalman ,and even more so Sholom Dovber, in the inner mystical dimensions of Judaism expressed in Hasidus. Illustrative of this is his plan, in founding the Lubavitch yeshiva system Tomchei Temimim, that the students should learn Chabad Chasidic texts "with pilpul", the Talmudic method of logical in-depth analysis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sholom_Dovber_Schneersohn

Not via our desire did we leave the land of Israel,

and not via our power will we come back to the land of Israel.

Rabbi S.D. Schneerson
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/rabbismain.htm

What the rabbis said about zionism
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/rabbonim.html

It would be out of the question to publish all the utterances of Gedolei Yisroel [Torah authorities]
during the last century, the period of the emergence of Zionism on the Jewish horizon, because all the Gedolei Yisroel sternly opposed the movement aimed at undermining the Jewish religion and the Jewish essence
[The Torah] forbids us to strive for the reunion or possession of the land by any but spiritual means
Rabbi S. R. Hirsch

Not via our desire did we leave the land of Israel,
and not via our power will we come back to the land of Israel.
Rabbi S.D. Schneerson

[Zionists] want a state in order to make Jews into heretics.
Rabbi C. Soloveichik

The Zionists have attacked the center point of Judaism.
Rabbi V. Soloveichik

The root of Zionism is heresy and its branches can hardly be otherwise.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/rabbismain.htm

WHAT THE RABBIS SAID ABOUT ZIONISM
IN THE PREVIOUS GENERATIONS

Once before the Neila prayer on Yom Kippur Rabbi Avraham Yoshe Freund of Mansod said:
"It is not because they are Zionists that they are evildoers. It is because they are evildoers that they are Zionists."

Rabbi Aharon Roth once said:
"It is a miracle that these evildoers don't command everyone to put on tefillin.
It is possible that were they to do it, G-d forbid, it may be forbidden to put them on."

The Chazon Ish once said:
"If it is hard to understand the whole matter of the Golden Calf, by seeing the matter of the State, one can understand it.
The matter of the State is similar to the Golden Calf"

Rabbi Elchonon Wasserman once said:
"It is certain as the sun shines that the Land will vomit the Zionists out, because the Land is the Palace of the King....
I don't say this either to curse or to bless, but because these are things which are written in the Torah and which will take place."

Rabbi Chaim Soloveitchik once said:
"The Zionists aren't taking Jews away from Judaism in order to have a State,
THEY NEED A STATE IN ORDER TO TAKE JEWS AWAY FROM JUDAISM"

Rabbi Yechezkel Shraga Halberstam once said:
"When a Jew recites 'Hear O Israel, the Lord your G-d, the Lord is One'
he should have in mind rejecting all idolatry in the world, including Zionism, which is also idolatry."

Rabbi Yissachar Dov of Belz once said:
" There could be, before the arrival of Mashiach, that the Satan should succeed, and the evildoers should get a State in the Land of Israel.
Their state would be a big danger for every Jew in material and spiritual matters."

The Chafetz Chaim, Rabbi Israel Meir Hakohen once said:
"In my opinion it is clear that the Zionists are from the offspring of AMALEK."

Rabbi Yitzchak Zev Soloveitchik (Reb Velvel) once said:
"How can the little rabbis and heads of yeshivas take upon themselves the determination of things dealing with life and death?
It is obvious that the partition will bring with it the anger and hostility of the Arabs and other nations of the world.
This whole thing touches on the shedding of blood.
HOW DO THEY HAVE THE ARROGANCE TO MAKE JUDGEMENTS DEALING WITH LIFE AND DEATH?

He also said: ]
"The Agudah is nothing, just money." Rabbi Moshe Leib Diskin once said:
"The rabbis of the generation should gather together and issue a writ of excommunication against the Zionists and eject them from the Jewish People,
and make decrees against their bread and wine, and to forbid marrying with them,
JUST LIKE OUR SAGES DID WITH THE SAMARITANS."

Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Eherenreich once said:
"The Zionists brought us to the Holocaust. It is well known that it was possible to redeem Jews from the Nazis with money,
and save many hundreds of thousands of Jews in Hungary from the fire.
THE ZIONIST LEADERS WHO NOW SIT IN GOVERNMENT PREVENTED IT!"

Rabbi Shaul Brach of Kashoa once said:
"Before thinking up the idea of Zionism, Herzl wanted all Jews to convert to Christianity.
When he was laughed at, he developed the second idea which was able to have more effect,
since thousands of Jews began to believe they could be Jews without the Torah of Judaism."

"I am also surprised at the leaders of the Agudah who want thousands of Jews to move to Eretz Israel.
How can they ignore the welfare of their children, since there is no other place on earth where there is so much heresy and sectarianism
as in the Holy Land in our day."

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/rabbonim.html

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Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss

Interview with the representative of ultra-orthodox Neturei-Karta,

an intensely anti Israel Jewish sect
Yisroel Dovid Weiss (born 1956), a United States Haredi Rabbi, is an activist and the spokesman

for Neturei Karta International, an anti-Zionist grouping of Haredi Jews.
Based in Monsey, New York, he believes that observant Jews should peacefully oppose the existence of the Israeli state:

"It would be
forbidden for

us to have

a State,

even if it would be in a

land that

is desolate and

uninhabited."

In the Interview with Fox the rabbi says:
"This was the main stream view of Jewish people worldwide".

Rabbi Weiss: This is the view that was shared by all religious leaders throughout the past hundred years, when the whole movement of Zionism was created, the concept – the ideology – of transforming Judaism from spirituality, a religion, into materialism a nationalistic goal to have a piece of land, all the rabbinical authorities said this is antithetical with what Judaism is all about – expressly forbidden by the Torah because we are in exile by God.
Cavuto: So, you shouldn't have a state? You shouldn't have a country? You shouldn't have a government?
We shouldn't have a state. We should be living amongst all the nations as the Jews were doing for two thousand years as loyal citizens, people who are serving God, emulating God with compassion . . .and the Talmud states clearly that if we will attempt to breach these oaths of God...it would lead to catastrophic results. Contrary to what people believe, that it's a religious conflict, we have been living for hundreds of years among Muslims and Arab communities without any UN human rights groups to watch…
Cavuto: Let me ask you this, Rabbi, was life better for the Jews prior to the creation of the Jewish state of Israel?
Weiss: 100%. In Palestine, we have the testimony of the Jewish community living there and other lands that they were living in harmony and they pleaded with the United Nations, in the documents we have, the chief Rabbi of Jerusalem said we do not want a Jewish state. The Muslim, Christian and Jewish inhabitants were ignored with the creation of the State . . .
Cavuto: Neverthless, you might not have had a country per se, but you were not a stranger to being abused or slaughtered over the millennia, particularly as recently as fifty sixty years ago?
Weiss: There is an issue of being killed because of anti-semitism, and then there's another issue where you antagonize and you create your anti-semitism through Zionism . . . in other words, it's not a free for all – you knock out your neighbors windows and yell anti-semitism.
Cavuto: I know you are an orthodox Jew, what do traditional Jews think of that position?
Weiss: [this is and was the mainstream view of Jewish people worldwide]
Cavuto: I know it was. It isn't now. So what do they tell you now.
Weiss: Well. Lets talk about the religious point of view, because we are talking about Judaism, not about those who left the fold of Judaism.
The Jewish view is, the main stream view is, that, true, we shouldn't be having a state, but once it's created the Zionist propaganda that the Arabs want to throw every Jew into the ocean and there's a ingrained hate against the Jews, which they've convinced many Jews to believe, this is why they're fearful of returning the land . . .
Cavuto: Well you can't blame them, right, I mean you have the president of Iran who says the Holocaust never existed and if he had his druthers he'd destroy Israel and all the Jews.
Weiss: That's also patently false. He has a Jewish community in Iran and they haven't murdered them when they had the opportunity to . . .
Cavuto: So, you don't take him at his word that he would try to kill Jews?
Weiss: He would [want] the dismantling of the political state of Israel. In fact, we went, a whole group of Rabbis this last year to visit Iran, and we were taken up by the leaders, we met with the vice president, he [Ahmedinejad] was in Venezuela at the time, we met with religious leaders, all of them stated unequivocally that don't have a conflict with [Jews]
Cavuto: So as long as Israel exists, Rabbi, you think – just itching for trouble
Weiss: Jews are suffering, Palestinians and Leabanese are suffering . . . we pray for the speedy and peaceful dismantlment of the Jewish state.
Cavuto: It's interesting Rabbi, you don't hear that view often.
Fox News Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR6MyaN5jpY

http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/03/25/christian-right-propaganda-posters/
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/vayoelmoshe1.cfm#6Million

"Israel was created

against the will of

God,

by atheists"

"We pray to God every day
for the speedy, peaceful dismantlement
of the state of Israel"

VIDEOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oeB3QhX2RI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pPq1C5s0SY&eurl=http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=230

http://nkusa.org/

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Religious Jews against Zionism

Read the Talmud

Jews in exile are

FORBIDDEN

To have their own

State

http://www.thecatsdream.com/blog/2006/07/jews-united-against-zionism.htm

We all lived the Holocaust. The people died because they were Jewish. Because they upheld God's teaching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQY60tN9yL8&NR=1

Where was God during the Holocaust? Famous rabbis' outrageous answers

2010-02-25T02:11:00.000-08:00

^{Where was the God of Elijah}
^{during the Holocaust?}

Famous rabbis' outrageous answers:

Holocaust victims were punished

for sins of their past lives,

claims eminent rabbi

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef ,a former chief rabbi of the Jewish State
and spiritual leader of the ultra-Orthodox Shas, a large party in the Knesset

By Phil Reeves

in Jerusalem

Monday, 7 August 2000

Israel erupted in fury yesterday over a speech by an eminent rabbi in which he said that 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust because they were reincarnations of sinners.

There was condemnation across the political spectrum of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the aging spiritual leader of the ultra-Orthodox Shas, the third-largest party in the Knesset. The party could determine whether Ehud Barak's government survives and, with it, the Middle East peace process.

The rabbi's comment, in a sermon broadcast in Israel and abroad, were considered so unacceptable the Prime Minister's office said in a statement they were "liable to hurt the feelings" of families of Holocaust victims and the nation.

Ultra-Orthodox Jews have long debated why God did not intervene as the Nazis were massacring millions of Jews. It appears the explanation of Rabbi Yosef - who condemned the Nazis - is based on the theory that the Holocaust was punishment for sin: the victims, he said, were "reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things that should not have been done. They have been reincarnated in order to atone".

His remarks caused a storm of protest in Israel, which has 300,000 Holocaust survivors. The two main ultra-Orthodox radio stations, which broadcast the sermon on Saturday night, were inundated with protests.

The Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial museum called his words "miserable" said that they "seriously harm the memory of the victims".

There were passionate words from one woman, Helen Kaminsky, whose relatives were buried alive in Ukraine. She demanded the rabbi's retirement and a personal apolocy. "This senile guy and lowlife, he should step down," Ms Kaminsky sobbed. "How could he say such a thing? You don't imagine how many people have been hurt today. They should silence him."

Eli Yishai, chairman of Shas, which has 17 Knesset seats, said criticism of the party's spiritual guru was unjustified. "Rabbi Ovadia weeps for every Jew who is killed... but nobody, not even a saint, has not sinned. Everyone dies in a state of sin."

The rabbi also called the Palestinians "snakes" and attacked Mr Barak for his peace efforts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/holocaust-victims-were-punished-for-sins-of-their-past-lives-claims-eminent-rabbi-711566.html

Kaparot is a traditional Jewish religious ritual that takes place around the time of the High Holidays.
Classically, it is performed by grasping a live chicken by the sholder blades and moving around one’s head three times,
transferring one’s sins to the chicken.
The chicken is then slaughtered and donated to the poor, preferably eaten at the pre-Yom Kippur feast.
The ritual is preceded by the reading of Psalms 107:17-20 and Job 33:23-24.

Ultra-orthodox Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak
הרב אמנון יצחק

"The six million Jewish victims
of the Holocaust
were gangrene for God"
Quoting the ancient Torah, the popular rabbi preaches
that because of the enlightenment of Jews and their assimilation into Christian society
an angry God cut "the gangrene" (נמק)
from the Jewish people
and destroyed the six million Jews of Christian Europe - half the Jewish people.
  http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=1168940&SourceId=1192278    (Video, in Hebrew)
^{http://www.shofar.net/site/faq.asp}

^{לצערנו הרב היום מספר המתבוללים היהודים באמריקה גדול מזמן השואה, שבעים וחמשה אחוזים בארה''ב ועוד יותר מכך באירופה
הקב''ה פשוט כרת את הנמק שהתפשט בעם ישראל.
אדם שמתחיל אצלו נמק, אין ברירה, חיבים לכרות את האבר בשביל שלא יתפשט וירעיל את כל הגוף.
ואתם יודעים, כשכורתים נמק, פעמים צריך לקחת איתו גם חלק מן החי, להיות בטוחים שהרע נכרת
בזמן השואה הגיעה ההתבוללות בגרמניה לששים אחוז. נגע האפיקורסות וההשכלה פשה בעם בשעורים מדהימים}  http://www.shofar.net/site/ARDetile.asp?id=8099      (text, in Hebrew)
http://oldserver.shofar-tv.com/MEDIA/misc/The_Holocaust.wmv    (Video, in Hebrew)
Yitzhak has said, referring to Theodore Herzl:
"There have been two great criminals in the history of the Jewish people:
Hitler and Herzl.

Hitler wanted to destroy the body of the Jewish nation. Herzl wanted to kill the soul,
which is far more important than the body."
^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnon_Yitzhak}
^{http://www.shofar.net/site/faq.asp}

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  Theodor Herzl, the father of modern political Zionism,
Golda Meir, Israel's fourth prime minister, Zalman Shazar, the third President of Israel.
IDF Chiefs of Staff Moshe Dayan, Haim Bar-Lev.
In June 2004, the Knesset (Israel's Parliament) enacted a law to perpetuate
the memory and teachings
of Theodor (Binyamin Ze'ev) Herzl, the father of modern political Zionism.

To this end, a public council was established to educate future generations and to shape the State of Israel
in accordance with Herzl's Zionist vision.Theodor Herzl's birthday, 10 Iyar, was declared Herzl Day, to be marked annually with a state memorial at his grave on Mount Herzl, as well as other educational activities and a special Knesset debate.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2006/Herzl%20Day%202006
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Why do people in the "Jewish State"
pay religion merchants such as Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak
for spreading evil, hate, contempt and ignorance
towards the six million Jewish victims of the Shoah and their families,
  by referring to enlightened Jews as Holocaust generators and as
"gangrene"?

http://www.avhs.org/holocaust/websites/2008/Decker/index.html

"A baby who dies, is a soul of of a murderer from previous life"
Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak
http://www.hofesh.org.il/religion_merchants/metifim/amnon_yitzchak.html
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Israel erupted in fury yesterday over a speech by an eminent rabbi in which he said that 6 million Jews perished in the Holocaust because they were reincarnations of sinners.

There was condemnation across the political spectrum of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the aging spiritual leader of the ultra-Orthodox Shas, the third-largest party in the Knesset. The party could determine whether Ehud Barak's government survives and, with it, the Middle East peace process.

The rabbi's comment, in a sermon broadcast in Israel and abroad, were considered so unacceptable the Prime Minister's office said in a statement they were "liable to hurt the feelings" of families of Holocaust victims and the nation.

Ultra-Orthodox Jews have long debated why God did not intervene as the Nazis were massacring millions of Jews. It appears the explanation of Rabbi Yosef - who condemned the Nazis - is based on the theory that the Holocaust was punishment for sin: the victims, he said, were "reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things that should not have been done. They have been reincarnated in order to atone".

His remarks caused a storm of protest in Israel, which has 300,000 Holocaust survivors. The two main ultra-Orthodox radio stations, which broadcast the sermon on Saturday night, were inundated with protests.

The Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial museum called his words "miserable" said that they "seriously harm the memory of the victims".

There were passionate words from one woman, Helen Kaminsky, whose relatives were buried alive in Ukraine. She demanded the rabbi's retirement and a personal apolocy. "This senile guy and lowlife, he should step down," Ms Kaminsky sobbed. "How could he say such a thing? You don't imagine how many people have been hurt today. They should silence him."

Eli Yishai, chairman of Shas, which has 17 Knesset seats, said criticism of the party's spiritual guru was unjustified. "Rabbi Ovadia weeps for every Jew who is killed... but nobody, not even a saint, has not sinned. Everyone dies in a state of sin."

The rabbi also called the Palestinians "snakes" and attacked Mr Barak for his peace efforts.

God as surgeon
By Yehuda Bauer

The panel discussion on "Haredim and the Holocaust" recently aired on Channel 1 should have included the views of the Lubavitcher Rebbe (Chabad's so-called "King Messiah"), Rabbi Menachem Schneerson.
On the subject of the Holocaust, the Rebbe wrote as follows:

"It is clear that 'no evil descends from Above,'

and buried within torment and suffering is a core of exalted spiritual good.

Not all human beings are able to perceive it, but it is very much there.

So it is not impossible for the physical destruction of the Holocaust

to be spiritually beneficial.

On the contrary,

it is quite possible that physical affliction is good for the spirit"
("Mada Ve'emuna," Machon Lubavitch, 1980, Kfar Chabad).
Schneerson goes on to compare God to a surgeon who amputates a patient's limb in order to save his life. The limb "is incurably diseased ... The Holy One Blessed Be He, like the professor-surgeon...seeks the good of Israel, and indeed, all He does is done for the good.... In the spiritual sense, no harm was done, because the everlasting spirit of the Jewish people was not destroyed."
The Rebbe's stance, therefore, is clear: The Holocaust was a good thing because it lopped off a disease-ravaged limb of the Jewish people - in other words, the millions who perished in the Holocaust - in order to cleanse the Jewish people of its sins.
There is logic in this theology: If God is indeed omnipotent, knows everything and controls the world ("God presides over the trials of 4 billion people all day long, every day without a moment's rest"), which implies divine supervision on an individual and collective basis, then the Holocaust took place not only with his knowledge, but also with his approval.
Schneerson does not accept the idea of "hester panim," or God's face being turned away, to explain why He was not present when 1.5 million Jewish children were murdered. According to some religious Jews, this hester panim was a consequence of man's sins, and, above all, the sins of the Jewish people. Schneerson says that God was there, and that he wanted the Holocaust to happen. But because it is inconceivable, in his view, for God to commit evil, he portrays the Holocaust as a positive event, all the more so for the Jews.
After this text was published in the summer of 1980, kicking up a storm, Chabad claimed it was based on an inaccurate Hebrew translation of talks that the Rebbe delivered in Yiddish. The Rebbe, they said, had no idea his remarks were being published. It seems hard to believe Schneerson would not go over every word published in his name, let alone a text put out in Hebrew by Machon Lubavitch in Kfar Chabad.
In fact, there is a document written by the Rebbe himself, in Hebrew, which bears his statements about the Holocaust. The late Chaika Grossman, a leader of the underground in the Bialystok ghetto, who survived the war and served as a Knesset member for several terms, published an article in Hamishmar newspaper on August 22, 1980, quoting Schneerson and expressing her profound shock at his words. On August 28, 1980, the Rebbe sent her a reply on his personal stationary. The letter, apparently typewritten, contains a number of corrections in his own handwriting, and is signed by him. In it, the Rebbe confirms everything in the published text.
His remarks, Schneerson explained, were based on the Torah. Hitler was a messenger of God in the same sense that Nebuchadnezzar is called "God's servant" in the Book of Jeremiah (chapter 25). The "surgery" he spoke of was such a massive corrective procedure that the suffering (i.e., the murder of the Jews) was minor compared to its curative effect.
I was invited to take part in this television debate, but my appearance was canceled at the last moment, perhaps because of my opinions on the subject. The truth is, there are no "Haredim." There are Haredi groups and Haredi individuals, and their conduct during and after the Holocaust took different forms. Since the Holocaust, Jews have wrestled with this issue and continue to do so. Rabbi Schneerson's views are one of many.
But Chabad is a large and influential Hasidic dynasty. It has a messiah who lived and died, and many look forward to his resurrection. In this respect, Chabad is a kind of semi-Christian movement. Therefore it is important to know what its leader said. The "King Messiah" did not deny the Holocaust. He justified it.
The author is a Holocaust scholar.

http://zionism-israel.com/israel_news/2007/06/with-rabbis-like-this-who-need-enemies.html
http://blogs.forward.com/bintel-blog/tags/chabad/
http://www.infochabad.com/index.php?page=surgeon
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God as surgeon
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The panel discussion on "Haredim and the Holocaust" recently aired on Channel 1 should have included the views of the Lubavitcher Rebbe (Chabad's so-called "King Messiah"), Rabbi Menachem Schneerson.

On the subject of the Holocaust, the Rebbe wrote as follows: "It is clear that 'no evil descends from Above,' and buried within torment and suffering is a core of exalted spiritual good. Not all human beings are able to perceive it, but it is very much there. So it is not impossible for the physical destruction of the Holocaust to be spiritually beneficial. On the contrary, it is quite possible that physical affliction is good for the spirit" ("Mada Ve'emuna," Machon Lubavitch, 1980, Kfar Chabad).

Schneerson goes on to compare God to a surgeon who amputates a patient's limb in order to save his life. The limb "is incurably diseased ... The Holy One Blessed Be He, like the professor-surgeon...seeks the good of Israel, and indeed, all He does is done for the good.... In the spiritual sense, no harm was done, because the everlasting spirit of the Jewish people was not destroyed."

The Rebbe's stance, therefore, is clear: The Holocaust was a good thing because it lopped off a disease-ravaged limb of the Jewish people - in other words, the millions who perished in the Holocaust - in order to cleanse the Jewish people of its sins.

There is logic in this theology: If God is indeed omnipotent, knows everything and controls the world ("God presides over the trials of 4 billion people all day long, every day without a moment's rest"), which implies divine supervision on an individual and collective basis, then the Holocaust took place not only with his knowledge, but also with his approval.

Schneerson does not accept the idea of "hester panim," or God's face being turned away, to explain why He was not present when 1.5 million Jewish children were murdered. According to some religious Jews, this hester panim was a consequence of man's sins, and, above all, the sins of the Jewish people. Schneerson says that God was there, and that he wanted the Holocaust to happen. But because it is inconceivable, in his view, for God to commit evil, he portrays the Holocaust as a positive event, all the more so for the Jews.

After this text was published in the summer of 1980, kicking up a storm, Chabad claimed it was based on an inaccurate Hebrew translation of talks that the Rebbe delivered in Yiddish. The Rebbe, they said, had no idea his remarks were being published. It seems hard to believe Schneerson would not go over every word published in his name, let alone a text put out in Hebrew by Machon Lubavitch in Kfar Chabad.

In fact, there is a document written by the Rebbe himself, in Hebrew, which bears his statements about the Holocaust. The late Chaika Grossman, a leader of the underground in the Bialystok ghetto, who survived the war and served as a Knesset member for several terms, published an article in Hamishmar newspaper on August 22, 1980, quoting Schneerson and expressing her profound shock at his words. On August 28, 1980, the Rebbe sent her a reply on his personal stationary. The letter, apparently typewritten, contains a number of corrections in his own handwriting, and is signed by him. In it, the Rebbe confirms everything in the published text.

His remarks, Schneerson explained, were based on the Torah. Hitler was a messenger of God in the same sense that Nebuchadnezzar is called "God's servant" in the Book of Jeremiah (chapter 25). The "surgery" he spoke of was such a massive corrective procedure that the suffering (i.e., the murder of the Jews) was minor compared to its curative effect.

I was invited to take part in this television debate, but my appearance was canceled at the last moment, perhaps because of my opinions on the subject. The truth is, there are no "Haredim." There are Haredi groups and Haredi individuals, and their conduct during and after the Holocaust took different forms. Since the Holocaust, Jews have wrestled with this issue and continue to do so. Rabbi Schneerson's views are one of many.

But Chabad is a large and influential Hasidic dynasty. It has a messiah who lived and died, and many look forward to his resurrection. In this respect, Chabad is a kind of semi-Christian movement. Therefore it is important to know what its leader said. The "King Messiah" did not deny the Holocaust. He justified it.

The author is a Holocaust scholar.
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Chabad's response to Yehuda Bauer

How the Rebbe understood the Holocaust

Eliezer Shemtov - Haaretz
In his op-ed in Haaretz on June 1 (“God as surgeon”), Prof. Yehuda Bauer refers to the opinion of the late Lubavitcher Rebbe regarding the Holocaust.

Without responding to his unwarranted, unacademic, personal attacks against the Rebbe, I think that Bauer gravely misunderstood the nuances and delicate concepts that the Rebbe was conveying in his 1980 letter to Knesset member Chaika Grossman.

The letter to the late MK Grossman was written to an individual whom the Rebbe surely understood to be in a position to correctly understand its contents without more explanation. I am sure that Prof. Bauer, too, writes in one language when corresponding with colleagues and in another when writing for the general public. Nothing in the letter to Grossman contradicts anything the Rebbe said before or after; anything said before or after simply expounds upon and clarifies the concepts written in that letter in a relatively condensed manner. The quoted letter is published in “Likutei Sichot” (Vol. 21, page 397). I would suggest that any serious student of this issue study that letter in its entirety and original before forming any opinion.

Following, however, are some of my personal insights into the matter:

In the letter, the Rebbe was responding to MK Grossman's published questions regarding the Rebbe's published views.

The Rebbe first expresses his astonishment at the fact that she based her criticism on an unedited version of the Rebbe's talks, which was subject to slight misquotes or lacking adequate context, and admonished her for publishing criticism without first checking with him what he meant to say.

The Rebbe then establishes in no uncertain terms who the “good guys” and who the “bad guys” are. When referring to those who perished in the Holocaust, we say “Hashem yikom damam” - meaning “may God avenge their blood.” We refer to them as kedoshim, holy individuals. When referring to Hitler and his like, we always add the epithet “yemach shmo,” that is, “may his name be obliterated.” The Rebbe then goes into a lengthy, detailed explanation of his view, addressing the issues at hand point by point in a detailed albeit condensed way.

Prof. Bauer quotes the Rebbe as saying that “Hitler was a messenger of God in the same sense that Nebuchadnezzar is called 'God's servant' in the Book of Jeremiah (Chapter 25).” How do you, Prof. Bauer, explain Jeremiah's reference to Nebuchadnezzar?

The Rebbe, with this quote, simply draws attention to the biblical precedent seeing in each and every event the hand of God, however inexplicable to the human mind or painful to the human heart. Bear in mind that Nebuchadnezzar was not rewarded, but punished, for what he did.

In his letter, the Rebbe points out both a similarity as well as a distinction between Nebuchadnezzar and Hitler. Whereas the massacres in Jeremiah's times are understood to be a punishment, the Rebbe insists that the Holocaust cannot be understood in this way. The comparison with Nebuchadnezzar was merely intended to make the point out everything that happens in this world is part of God's design, however incomprehensible it might be to the mortal mind.

Here we find yet another example of the inaccuracies appearing in Prof. Bauer's article. He writes: “The Rebbe's stance, therefore, is clear: The Holocaust was a good thing because it lopped off a disease-ravaged limb of the Jewish people - in other words, the millions who perished in the Holocaust - in order to cleanse the Jewish people of its sins. The 'surgery' he spoke of was such a massive corrective procedure that the suffering (i.e., the murder of the Jews) was minor compared to its curative effect.”

This is a gross misinterpretation. Prof. Bauer misunderstood the comparison to surgery. Careful reading of the letter will show that the example of surgery is brought only in order to illustrate how something as horrible as an amputation, although beneficial, can seem criminal to the uninitiated. It is by no means brought in order to imply that those that perished were “amputated” for the benefit of the survivors.

The Rebbe clearly writes that although we have no understanding as to why the Holocaust had to happen, we do believe that it is for the benefit primarily of those that perished (not merely for the benefit of the survivors). The Rebbe does not attempt to explain what the benefit is; he simply asserts that it must be for the (eventual?) benefit of those who perished (especially taking into account our belief in resurrection and the world-to-come).

The Rebbe points out that even when the one going through the surgery knows that it is for his benefit, he still cries out in pain, as do those nearest and dearest to him. It is perfectly normal and theologically acceptable for a believing Jew to cry out in pain and clamor to God for mercy, when suffering or when witnessing the suffering of others.

These are just a few examples of how slight inaccuracies in quotes and context can generate conclusions totally contrary to those intended. One must be more careful when quoting our sages and their words and make sure that it is done accurately before taking issue with them.

Rabbi Eliezer Shemtov is director of Beit Jabad del Uruguay in Montevideo.

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Haredim and the Holocaust
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2008/02/haredim-and-the.html
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HaRav Rishon Le-Zion
Chief Sephardic Rabbi
Mordechai Eliahu, shlita
(1929, Jerusalem, Palestine-Alive).Jewish Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, 1982-1993.
Member, Beit Din Harabani Hagadol (Supreme Rabbinical Court of Israel). Noted for his support of the radical right Zionists.
Opponent of the disengagement of Israel from Gaza.
http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Jewish%20Autographs%20EL-EM.htm

Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu

The Rebbe greets Rabbi Eliyahu when he arrives at what was to be their last meeting, in 1992
(Photo: Chaim Baruch Halberstam/Jewish Educational Media)
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JTA
The Global News Service of the Jewish People

Chief rabbi blames Holocaust on

Reform Jews

By · April 19, 2007
Israel’s Reform movement expressed outrage after a former chief rabbi of Israel suggested that the Holocaust was the result of Reform Judaism in Germany. Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, a former Sephardi chief rabbi, told a fervently Orthodox radio station last week that Jews as a whole were not to blame for the Holocaust, “but the Reform movement started in Germany, those who changed the religion began in Germany. And because it is written that God was angered, even He did not differentiate among the righteous, and it was done.” Members of The Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism said in a statement that “Rabbi Eliyahu’s statements are no less serious than Holocaust denial, and the Israeli public must respond accordingly. The public in Israel has had enough of rabbis’ cursings.” Other groups, including the Anti-Defamation League and the Jewish Agency for Israel, also condemned the Eliyahu’s comments.
http://jta.org/news/article/2007/04/19/101282/ReformEliyahu

Reform Jews:
Ex-chief rabbi as bad
as those who deny the Holocaust
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/850260.html

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Reform Jews accuse top rabbi
of slander for Holocaust statement
By Roni Singer-Heruti and Yair Ettinger, Haaretz Correspondent

Members of the Reform movement on Wednesday accused the former Sephardic chief rabbi of slander for allegedly stating that the Holocaust happened because of the activity of Reform Jews in Germany.

Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu is said to have made the statement on Friday in an interview with a pirate radio station, and the six Reform movement members have filed a slander complaint to the police.

"Rabbi Eliyahu's statements are no less serious than Holocaust denial, and the Israeli public must respond accordingly ... The public in Israel has had enough of rabbis cursing and wants a spiritual leadership whose 'ways are ways of pleasantness,'" they said.

Most of the complainants are survivors or descendants of survivors. The Israel Movement for Progressive Judaism (IMPJ) said there were numerous requests for immediate public and legal action after the broadcast.

Eliyahu, who is considered the spiritual leader of the National Religious Party, was asked by the radio interviewer, "What was the sin of the six million?" In response, he quoted from Exodus 22:5: "If fire gets out of control and spreads through weeds, and [then] consumes bound or standing grain or a field, the one who started the fire must make restitution."

He then said, "Those people [Jews in general] are not to blame, but Reform started in Germany, those who changed the religion began in Germany. And because it is written that God was angered, even He did not differentiate among the righteous, it was done." The chief rabbi of
Safed, Eliyahu's son Shmuel Eliyahu, said his father's words do not justify the Nazi crimes but "are based on historic facts," and that anti-Semitism rose where there was assimilation.

He called the complaint against his father "a joke."

Among the complainants are IMPJ Chairman Abraham Melamed, who is also the chairman of the Department of Jewish History and Thought at the University of Haifa and a Yad Vashem board member. Michael Sheizaf, a Bergen-Belsen survivor and a member of the Darchei Noam Reform congregation in Ramat Hasharon, is also among the complainants.

Jewish Agency Chairman Zeev Bielski protest Eliyahu's statements in a letter to the rabbi on Wednesday.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/850240.html

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